Posts by Anna Marina

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If You Were Invited To A Judicial Committee How Did It Go??

by minimus in

was it awful?

did you feel freedom?

was it a kangaroo court!.

Anna Marina

I was invited twice. So I didn't attend twice. But I did turn up over an hour before the 2nd one was due to be held and told them they had no right to do this and that I did not recognise their authority, nor did I recognise them as Jehovah's Witnesses and I told them their behaviour was appauling and that they all ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Before this I also turned up to an elders meeting with letters detailing pretty much the same as above. There were probably about 16 or 17 men at this elders meeting and they were unwilling to come to the door. I sensed the one who opened the door was even trying to pretend it wasn't an elders meeting so they could all hide. But I made it clear that I knew what was going on and invited them to step outside. Only 3 did and they didn't linger.

Anyway they had no Christian authority so effectively they've done nothing to me in relation to anything scriptural. Except they have proved themselves to be a bunch of lying, bullying, apostates.

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US & UK difference

by Olig in

so i was wondering, is there a difference between the baseline attitudes of jw's in the us and the uk?

i hear tonnes and tonnes of experiences regarding elders chasing people up and hounding them.

and people having to devote their lives to fading out.

Anna Marina

Hi Olig

I think it depends on your situation and how you handle it. I am in UK and I know ones who have left quietly and others who get hounded.

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Getting disfellowshipped to marry and return

by confused in

i was just wondering if there is any official rules on dealing with this.

a sister in the congregation is planning to divorce her husband who is also a witness so she can marry a different brother in the same hall!

yes this is a huge scandal!

Anna Marina

I am aware of this happening. People don't seem that bothered by it anymore. Guess the shock of it has worn off and people think its acceptable now.

What I can't figure out is this. They know Jehovah disapproves of fornication, so they do it in order to divorce. If they had any concern about how Jehovah feels, they'd at least just get divorced and remarried. It would be better than fornicating first. Not much, I grant you but a bit.

But they are not bothered about God's standards. They are bothered about what others think and so long as no one is too shocked and no one asks questions...

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What Do You Think Would Make A Witness Decide It Was Now Time To Leave The “Truth”?

by minimus in

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is there anything that will make that loyal witness ever see the light??

you know, that well respected elder, pioneer, or witness who has been in the “truth “ for decades..

Anna Marina

The grace of God.

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Do You Have A Negative Outlook Because You Were Once A JW?

by minimus in

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it could be argued that exjws have issues in life simply because they were jehovah’s witnesses at a point in their lives.

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do you think you or we are fairly normal considering we were jehovah’s witnesses or do you think we have a lot of baggage because we are a bit messed up ( even if we don’t even know it)?.

Anna Marina

I think I've had an insightful education and learnt many valuable lessons which I enjoy sharing with other like-minded people.

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Nº 001 Subliminal na literatura da Watchtower

by indicetj.com in

olha, se você é uma testemunha de jeová:.

http://figuras.indicetj.com/001-o-caolha-raivoso.html.

Anna Marina

If you look at the pictures of Babylon the Great in the Revelation Grand Climax book, then compare them to Esther in the Imitate their Faith book p 153 you'll see she's got the same moth or butterfly earring and her clothes are the same colour as Babylon the Great (purple and scarlet - although they've pinked up the scarlet).

If you look at the picture of Esther on p 128/9 of that same book, ask yourself, "why is she looking at that wierd statute of two drooping swan necks and watching all those little birds? A couple of them are tits."

Now I'm not going to spell it out, but if you wanted to stick your hand up and give the most innocent sounding shocking answer at a mid-week meeting, this delightful picture might have been drawn just for you.

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Are You Still “Technically “ A Jehovah’s Witness?

by minimus in

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if we haven’t associated with the congregation in years, could it be said we are not jws?

or must you be disfellowshipped or disassociated to officially say you really aren’t a witness?.

Anna Marina

I have always been Christian and thought I was joining other genuine Christians. There were many kind-hearted, genuine Christians in the congregation I joined. What we didn't realise was that the wool was being pulled over our eyes.

The term 'Jehovah's Witness' does not fully describe a Christian because the term applies to the decendants of Jacob. But Jesus was a descendante of Jacob, he was Jewish. So, I feel it can be used in a figurative sense to describe a Christian and in that sense I am happy to be described as one. But I know people have to be directed to Jesus Christ, not the Law of Moses.

Although the door of fellowship has been closed on my by 'the club', because the GB is actually apostate to Jehovah Witnesses (it misuses the OT scriptures written by inspired Jehovah's Witnesses - eg Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah), I do not identify the GB or WBTS or any appointed by them as Jehovah's Witnesses.

And I don't care how they choose to describe themselves because you can say the moon is made of cheese, your only problem is you have to prove it. Same with GB, they (and those in association with them) can say they are Jehovah's Witnesses but how on earth could they ever prove it? They can't, because they are lying and those blindly following them are deluded.

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JW`s Claim Their religion is Based Solely on The Bible.

by smiddy3 in

well here are a few words that the watchtower / jw`s religion frequently use that do not appear in the bible , either , old testament or the new testament.. organization , sovereignty , reinstatement , governing body .. and in the christian greek scriptures ,the kingdom interlinear that the jw`s published themselves , a word for word translation of the greek to english does not contain the name / word jehovah ......nowhere ..

Anna Marina

From my research, a common denominator in all WBTS false doctrine (ie that not soundly based on the Bible) is Theosophy/Theo Sufism. Sufism is a kind of Islam. The whirling dervishes are Sufists. They whirl and whirl until they get dizzy. This dizziness acts like an anaesthetic so they feel no pain.

Theo Sufism is also connected to Fabianism and the establishment of the Lucifer Trust (Lucis Trust). Leading Theo Sufist, Alice Ann Bailey set up the Lucis Trust, while another prominent Theo Sufist, Annie Besant was a speaker for the Fabians. Annie was sponsored for membership of the Fabians by George Bernard Shaw.

In addition to all this, 1914 is by used by WBTS to signal a new age. Amongst some who accept the patriachs but reject the Messiah, Jesus Christ, there is a belief that the Messiah is not a person but an age. The 1914 doctrine may reflect this concept of a Messianic Age.

Communism also rests on this idea of new ages as does the postivism of August Comte who perpetuated the search for a science of society through a 3-staged theory of progress which he derived from Saint-Simon (who believed in Utopia). Comte's idea was that mankind moved from a theological to a metaphysical to a positive era. Positivism had authoritarian implications. It relied on intellectual authority. The link between enlightenment and despotism in the 18th century was not accidental. Saint-Simon had consistently appealed to monarchial authority from his first petitions to Napoleon until his last appeal for a New Christianity to the leaders of the Holy Alliance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Comte

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Saint-Simon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Alliance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Besant

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JW`s Claim Their religion is Based Solely on The Bible.

by smiddy3 in

well here are a few words that the watchtower / jw`s religion frequently use that do not appear in the bible , either , old testament or the new testament.. organization , sovereignty , reinstatement , governing body .. and in the christian greek scriptures ,the kingdom interlinear that the jw`s published themselves , a word for word translation of the greek to english does not contain the name / word jehovah ......nowhere ..

Anna Marina

But they play tricks with words using semantics. An organisation is something made up of organs. A body is an organisation, so they use concept of the body of Christ to insist on unity.

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It was all GREEK to me

by Terry in

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around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek (for my study of the christian greek scriptures and to 'get to the bottom' of whether i was wasting my time being even a token jehovah's witness.

) i would read the actual text and avoid my denomination's opinion commentaries, you see.. .

i learned the characters in the greek alphabet rather quickly and started reading an interlinear (english/greek) bible aloud - practicing my enunciation.

Anna Marina

Hi Terry - I studied 1991 and baptised 1992 - I did really careful research using both the Bible and the Live Forever Book. I challenged the teachings where I had to. Elders sometimes sat in on my study.

The sister who took my study was surprised how much I knew about the Bible and would sometimes change her mind on WBTS teachings and say: "When you first said that, I didn't think you were right, now I've thought about it, I agree with you."

When elders showed up, I loved it and we went into great depth on many things. Little did I realise even then, that I was constantly catching them out. But I wasn't doing that, I was just talking and asking questions. However, it was when the elders turned up that I'd get told, "if the Society has anything wrong, they will change it. Unlike the churches we are not dogmatic." And I believed what they said. Why wouldn't I? They were kind and appeared genuine.

Fast forward to 2005/6 and I found out they had been lying. As you say:

What JW's had all along was double-talk, false reasoning, and a manufactured piety and skill.